In this episode Richard talks about leadership and faith with friend and returning guest Scott MacLellan. They also discuss what it was like to lead an organization in the healthcare industry during COVID. Scott has been a CEO for the last 25 years, leading multi-billion-dollar businesses and tens of thousands of employees. His companies have been voted one of the best places to work in healthcare multiple times. He’s started two companies from scratch, one of which is a thirty-billion-dollar international company today. Harvard Business School profiled one of his start-ups in a case study. He’s written nine books, is the executive producer of an upcoming streaming series in development and has even worked as a celebrity bodyguard. He now knows all of this business-success has been “vanity” and “chasing after the wind”. In fact, his greatest story is tied to being a follower of Jesus Christ, a husband of 38 years, a father of two daughters, and grandfather to three boys.  Scott’s newest book, The Ancient Ladder, is out now wherever books are sold. You can find out more about what Scott is up to and connect with him at


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